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Reading "The Great Conversation" [Oct. 27th, 2005|05:13 pm]
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I just got two books, one from the public library and one from the public school library. The two books are "Plato" and "The Great Conversation", an intro to the Great Books. I read the first book of Plato's "Laws" which was quite a task. But there's so much goodness in there. He addresses music (slightly) and education. What he said on education was basically what great books educators are saying about education - that some education that we call education today is not worthy of the name education. That is, education that is solely for monetary increase, education for specific tasks (specialization), education for body fitness, etc. Real education, as the "Athenian Stranger" describes it is:

At present, when we speak in terms of praise or blame about the bringing-up of each person, we call one man educated and another uneducated, although the uneducated man may be sometimes very well educated for the calling of a retail trader, or of a captain of a ship, and the like. For we are not speaking of education in this narrower sense, but of that other education in virtue from youth upwards, which makes a man eagerly pursue the ideal perfection of citizenship, and teaches him how rightly to rule and how to obey. This is the only education which, upon our view, deserves the name; that other sort of training, which aims at the acquisition of wealth or bodily strength, or mere cleverness apart from intelligence and justice, is mean and illiberal, and is not worthy to be called education at all. But let us not quarrel with one another about a word, provided that the proposition which has just been granted hold good: to wit, that those who are rightly educated generally become good men. Neither must we cast a slight upon education, which is the first and fairest thing that the best of men can ever have, and which, though liable to take a wrong direction, is capable of reformation. And this work of reformation is the great business of every man while he lives.


Does anyone know whether it was Aristotle who said without pain one cannot learn?
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